church update

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I have been emailed several times asking where we are going to church.  We left the church I mentioned in the previous post.  We were told that the children were distracting and the church was not nor would it ever be family integrated.  At the time they had no children’s church so we really didn’t have much in the way of options.  We left after much prayer and tears.  That was really difficult for us and we still talk about it.

We have returned to the church 85 miles away.  Driving 170 miles is really difficult with four (soon to be five) little ones so we go a couple times a month and the rest of the time we have home church.  Since Paul felt a calling to start a church localy, having family worship gives him some practice.  heh  🙂

We  love this church and wish it weren’t so far away.  We have known the pastor and his wife for years (since we were newly weds and pregnant with our first child!) I really don’t know ultimately what God has in store for us, but it’s exciting to see it.  Sometimes it’s pretty painful, too.  We have lost friends at other churches.  For some reason when you realize the church isn’t a good fit for your family, they take it too personally and no longer want to continue a relationship.

I long for the day when the body of Christ isn’t so segregated.  But for now I recognize the need for it.  We all have different beliefs, family values, ect.  One size just doesn’t fit all.

update on church search

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I had mentioned in October of last year that we visited a small FIC church.  Well, we ended up joining a large baptist FIC and attended for a good while, helping them to become more family integrated.  But we had some problems with things the pastor taught and our primary purpose for going there was for Paul to learn about pastoring a church, which wasn’t really happening.  And when the only other married, homeschooling lady there (the church is mostly elderly folks) told me that God told her that I should have a tubal ligation, that pretty much sealed the deal and we left.  We are back at that small FIC I mentioned.  The people are friendly and generally seem in line with our values.  The men in the church are very emotional, which is a refreshing change from some of the staunchness and ungratefulness (to Grace) we have experienced in the free will churches we have been attending.  They do believe in election, which I am certain has a great deal to do with the tender and broken attitude, but I think the fact that most of the congregation are new believers has even more to do with it.

We are grateful to be there and although we don’t know how long God may have us there we always bloom where we are planted and I’m seeking as to how God wants me to serve the Church.

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“We have to test everything,” writes Bell. “Do that to this book. Don’t swallow it uncritically. Think about it. Wrestle with it. Just because I’m a Christian and I’m trying to articulate a Christian worldview doesn’t mean I’ve got it nailed. I’m contributing to the discussion. God has spoken, and the rest is commentary, right?”

Wow- I have never read a quote like that. This was from a review of Velvet Elvis, a book about what ‘it really means to be a Christian.’

Upon further research some claim this author is of the emergent church group of leaders.  Still, you have to be impressed with anyone who suggests that what he says isn’t necessarily right.

The offending posts

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These are the posts that caused such a problem at the church. I find neither to be divisive or unscriptural in message or delivery. The first:

I have several bloggs I need to write based on questions I’ve been
asked recently, and one of them is on submission. I’m interested in
reading all your views on submission (to authority, both to your
husband as well as to others such as a pastor or government.) IF I
particularly like something someone says I may email you and ask
permission to quote you. 🙂

The second (modified from original posting here, which was quickly deleted from the site)

Paul and I have been researching head coverings for the last month and
a half or so. We have come to the conclusion that we believe it is
Scriptural. I mention this primarily because, well, you will be
seeing an awful lot of me with my head covered and will probably
wonder why. 🙂 So, here are some links that Paul enjoyed and I’m
passing them on for you to possibly read and consider. I have not
read them in their entirety, by the way.

http://www.kingshou se.org/headcover ing.htm
http://www.biblical researchreports. com/headcovering myths.php
http://www.bible- researcher. com/headcovering s3.html

When I first met some protestants who head cover I was surprised,
since I had been taught that was cultish and not Biblical. But, I
felt a check in my spirit that this was something that I should look
into and Paul decided to research with me. After a lot of reading and
praying concerning the matter, we are in agreement that this is
something I should do.

Paul hasn’t yet decided how often or what kind of covering he wants me
to wear, but I am certain it will be AT LEAST at church. I am
thankful to know that I will have the support of the women here, in as
much that you agree with submission and are used to being different
then the norm in Christian circles anyway!

I hope everyone has a wonderful week,
S

It’s official

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We are a cult. No, not really, but I think most of the Christian world would say so.

We did leave what appeared to be a very good church based on the unwillingness to conform to a church practice of women not speaking to each other concerning doctrine and Scripture. Although it is claimed that is permitted, the restriction is that the woman must first speak to the husband. I, of course, am a firm believer in taking counsel from the husband and being in complete submission to him. However, women should also be allowed to discuss with each other and to say “Oh, I can’t discuss that matter with you because I have not yet spoken with my husband” is just plain ludicrous. There is no Scripture backing this. Following such a discussion the certainly should talk to their husbands, but supposedly we are easily tossed to and fro and bringing new ideas in the home would sow dischord. Well, if I had not brought foreign ideas to the home we would not have known about covering or being quiverfull, that’s for sure.

Our lives have changed so much in the last three months.

In looking for a church we are unable to find something nearby. After all, we are quiverfull, homeschooling, sovereign grace, spirit filled, head covered and autistic! Who could possibly want us at their church?

Paul started a blog on our church experiences. He begins it as the beginning of a kind of journey, but we will also post some negative and positive church experiences we have had in the past. What will the Lord do with us now? I don’t know, but I look forward to finding out!

S

FIC

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Uniting Church and Family

Includes articles from Scott Brown and others on family integrated church.

home churches

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http://www.christianworldviewnetwork.com/article.php/2513/Chuck_Missler “There is no place like home, at least for some Christians. In recent years the number of home churches and small group fellowships in the United States has risen exponentially. Since the year 2000, it is estimated that more than 20 million Americans have begun exploring alternative forms of worship, including home churches. A survey conducted by the Barna group concluded that about 9% of adults in the United States today attend a house church – a decade ago that number was less than 1%.”

I found this article very interesting because last year I read an article on the same site against cell groups and home churches because they don’t have anyone keeping them accountable and making sure their doctrine is good. I thought that was such an error in argument because who keeps the other churches accountable and in good doctrine? Even those that have overseers (bishops ect) still have major problems. Well, at least an article of opposite viewshas finally been published!

S